We Are Debt Free Tonight

When we started planning our great adventure we knew one thing for sure we could not retire owing for STUFF. Our plan was to become debt free prior to my retirement. Well today was the day that happened. Sherri and I went down and payed off all our debt and we are now debt free and soooo close to retiring! There was a large implosion at our bank when I wrote the last
check...I hope no one was injured.

We have been planning this for 35 years and finally we are getting sooo close to that time... it is a little scary. After 12 RVs... 7 houses and 4 children we are rounding the corner on our dream. The last house is sold and we own our home on wheels and the truck that pulls it. OK now we have to start the last few items on the list of things to do before we head off on the road. Now you might ask what are those last items.....

Number one on the list...learn to live on the amount of money we will have coming in after I kiss my job good-bye...Now that should be a hill to climb. After living foot loose for all these years we will have to clamp down on spending. With the price of fuel up so high now, that will be another problem to face and work around. We both feel confident that we should be able to overcome the temptation to spend more than our budget allows. This is why we will be practicing for the next 7 months living on a set amount and not going over that amount for no reason at all.

Number two on the list is looking at all the things we have that we can shed between now and the time we leave out. We need to revise our phone needs Internet needs and other attachments that we can slim down to better fit our budget. We have 7 months to do this in... so we will be real busy getting that done. Insurances have to be re-examined to see what kind of savings we can find out there. All the extra needs in life that we just picked up and through in with all our necessities need to be weeded out and replaced with better ideas and cheaper price tags.

OK so we are going to be busy this next 7 months and you will be here with us as we muddle through all this. We will be looking for all our friends and family to give us some suggestions on how to live cheaper and stretch that dollar as far as we can.

I hope that some of the things we do might help some other poor soul out there that is afraid to take this big leap because they don't have the money. Well if we can do it then I would have to say that anyone can. We will be collecting all the Po Foks out there to follow us and have fun on low budgets. That's right hang with us and you will feel rich. We will show you all the free stuff on our adventures...cause we can't afford anything different.

OK we have established our following...you Foks with all that long green can follow us too... maybe we can show you a good time. Like I always say when you feel down and out and you need to re-coop some money to pay for that high rolling life style ...come follow us for a while and you will save a ton... of course you wont go anywhere but you will save a ton of money!

Well that is about it for today...I dropped a ton of money today...imploded a bank in East Texas
cheated several creditors out of thousands of $ of interest bought me a $3.00 roasted chicken at Kroger and finished watching Big Mommas House 2 ...I guess I can sleep tonight with no problem.

Come set on my porch Somewhere in Time

Thanks To All Our Friends

It is so comforting to know that we have so many friends out there....and when I say out there I mean it...all over the US! How great is that. Did you ever think that someday you would be conversing with friends in Washington State, North Carolina, Texas, Colorado, Alabama and this is just to name a few. Every night Sherri and I are amazed at all the folks we know now that we did not know one year ago. We lived on a street for years and did not know the folks living next door much less at the other end of the street...but now we know people in other states and talk to them on a regular basis! And on top of all that you all have been so kind to pray for our granddaughter and us WOW! Thanks SOOOOO much all of you!

To let you all know your prays have helped. Meagan went to the doctor and they ran some more test and they are re-thinking the diagnosis. They may be what they call pre-cancerous cells?? I may have that all wrong but they are testing to see if it is really cancer or not. So keep those prayers coming! I don't know why these doctors want to scare you like that but they sure do and it may not be as bad as we first thought. I will keep you all updated as soon as we learn more.

OK we had the discussion last night about our gathering in Texas next March. I am not sure but I believe it will be the 1st of March and last 2 weeks? Dortha is checking on the rates for 15 or more rigs and what the cost would be. No matter what we can all plan on it and take the weekly rate which I believe is $200.00 or so...electric included. Anyway we will have to be somewhere why not there???

I wish I could get off earlier than February but I have to get all my bennies from the company...no way I am giving those up! I have to give up so much all the time but not my bennies. Now if I can get them earlier than my anniversary date I will be outa there! We'll see.
I guess we will summer in Colorado somewhere...or where ever it is cool and cheap to stay. LOL We are going to be the poster children for Poe Fok Fulltiming PFF. I bet we have a good time though. No where is it written that you have to have a giant budget to have fun. I remember the first real vacation we took as a family. We went to Colorado...pulled a Jayco pop up trailer with a 1972 4 cyl. Vega! We left Texas with $300.00 in our pockets and stayed a week in the mountains and had some money left over when we got home. Even in 1972 $300.00 was not enough to leave the state of Texas with! But we did it and had a ball. Now we regress to 2009 and still broker than two Pea Farmers we are off again. If you travel with Speedy and his gal don't expect lavish living folks. When we say we are eating out...we mean on the front porch.

Yes this will be an adventure to match them all but we look forward to it and hope that the good Lord is kind to us between now and then and our health holds up. I will have a list of dirt cheap Camp Grounds on my journal so if you need to slum for a while tune in and we will guide you to
the re-coop Camp Grounds. You may even find me and my best friend there sharing a meal
Somewhere in Time

Work Work Work

The last couple of days have been just awful. I have been on a 12 hour a day schedule and Sherri has been working all kinds of hours. We got our new computer the first of the week and it is still in the box! This last 7 months is going to wear us both out I just know it. I will really need a....I started to say vacation....Retirement after all this is behind me.

Not only am I on a 12 hour a day schedule I had to come in at 5:30 this morning to hold a meeting with my night shift employees. I really do not have my heart in this but it is something that I have to do. I guess that will mean I will be here 13 hours today....UGH!

My granddaughter is having some test done. She might have cancer...or the signs lead them to believe that . Sherri is real worried and I have told her to wait until we hear from the test results before she gets too upset about these findings. I am very optimistic that it is going to be OK. Any prayers you might have out there would be appreciated.

Sherri and I have missed being on chat. Hello to all the chatters that read our journal. We will be back on soon to add our two cents.

Well that is about it for this post. Not much going on around here except W*#k. Maybe something real special will happen Somewhere in Time

We Have The New Computer

We got up yesterday grumpy as usual and both of us were not happy campers. Time to get up comes much too early any more. We go to bed early but the time just flys by and the next thing we know it is time to get up and start all over again. Now that Sherri is working she has the same grumpy feeling I have been working on for the past year. It is good to know that I am not alone in this bummer feeling I have. I have even noticed some of you short timers out there saying the same thing about having to work. UGH!

OK let us move along here and address the good news that we have to tell all of you out there. We have a new computer. We stressed out on this selection and just could not decide until day before yesterday when we came to the conclusion that the HP that we have was doing a good job so why not stay with what brung ya. We got a 6000 series again, except this one has twice the memory and hard drive and Hz that our last one does and it is $300.00 cheaper! We decided to go ahead and get the 3 year extended warranty on it at $50.00 a year which seemed well worth that and the rebate of $170.00 that we are getting plus the $50.00 in house rebate pretty much covers that cost.

It is still in the box tonight...we have not had the time to even peek inside due to our W*&K schedule...which in 7 months will change....YEHAAA! I hoped tonight I would be able to go home and load this baby up so Sherri could chat with us...oh well they asked me to stay 12 hours tonight and you know what....I said yes....I am losing it I know I am...I need some drugs to get me through this time in my life...maybe a cold MGD?? What was I ever thinking to say yes I'll stay...I love this place I have spent 35 years of my life at...without windows to see outside...in this office with no back door to escape out of in times of trouble...yes I could not ask for a more miserable place to be setting than this.

I must get off this subject before I have a break down. My good friend Dee and Jim Walter sent me an email this evening. While I set here typing away on all this nonsense. It came to me and I picked out some of these pictures that I thought best sumed up my feelings. I will try and post them on this journal entry so that you get the full effect of my enter most feelings...

This is me on the right at my last review....Weeeee I am working for free Teeee Heeeee
Me after a 10 hour day....can you guess where I am

A day dream I have while setting at my desk....floating down a slow moving river Somewhere in Time.

Houseless At Last

Well Friday was the big day. We had a 3:00 PM appointment to close on our house. Sherri was in Tyler Texas and I was in Wills Point and the closing was in Canton Texas. Now you would have to have a map to see the triangle these locations create and then see I had a lot of traveling to do to bring this all together by 3:00. The need to close on this house was so strong that I found a way to make it all happen...and it did.

We are now officially without a stixs and bricks and...still living in our home on wheels. It is getting closer to that time and we are tweaking the plan to make this all happen. All the STUFF is out of the house as of Friday night. What a push to get that all loaded. We had the truck stuffed to the headliner and the back packed as well. Everything is gone out and the new owners are on their way to moving in.

We returned home Saturday late and unloaded the STUFF that we will keep in the 5ht wheel. We will weed through it in time and eliminate some more. Saturday was pretty much doing that until time for bed.

We got up Sunday morning feeling tired but relieved to know that the worst was behind us. We both dreaded the fact that we had to go to work Monday morning. We sat in the recliners for some time talking about retirement and computers and what we needed to do and then what we really needed came to the both of us. We needed to go and have some fun. I immediately picked up the phone and called my Bud and asked him if he wanted to go somewhere. Mark and Dortha live in Ft. Worth Texas and have been our friends for years. Mark said he had no plans and the adventure started coming together.

We all planned on meeting in Denton Texas at the Cracker Barrel on 380 and IH-35. We parked our still half loaded truck in the parking lot and we took Mark's Liberty to the restaurant of our choice...which was up the road a ways...Babes is a family style restaurant that puts all the food on the table and you help yourself. My kind of place! We got there in short order and found the line to be way too long for us so we opted for Chili's down the road.

Lunch was good and the conversation was all about retirement and traveling...wonder why? We enjoyed it as always. Now it was time for some serious planning and that was going up the road to the casino in Oklahoma. Well need I say more...we had a great time as soon as we arrived. Mark and I came out the winners...Mark really did win about $70.00 and I won $7.00...hey not bad for the ones that usually finish gambling about 20 minutes after they arrive...broke

We as always enjoyed our time with Mark and Dortha and hope to see them again real soon. Thanks guys for being our friends. Can't wait to share all our great adventures with all our other friends...I know you all will like the Halls and the Pitmans...just give us a try Somewhere in Time.

She Made It All Day And So Did I

Well another day another dollar...for both Sherri and I. We made it through without a scratch and now it is time to start over again!

Not much to report today things are very slow here at the office and Sherri is having a very uneventful day. I spoke with her this morning and she was ready to come home for sure. I told her that the Realtor called this morning and said that the closing was a go for Friday...hope that holds. Sherri will be in Tyler and if she can get loose in time she will meet me in Canton Texas where the closing will take place. If she can't get a way there I will have to go pick her up so that means I leave much earlier to make that happen.

I will be out of touch with all of you until next Monday so this will be my last post until then. I will have all the updates on the closing and anything else worth reporting then.

Until then I will leave you with some more pictures of our trip...we are still in Niagara Falls Canada and we will leave from there and head to New York.

Maid of the Mist heads to the Canadian Falls with the USA falls in the background

Sherri looks back at the Canadian falls and yes she got wet

Passing by the USA falls with the Canadian falls in the background

Sherri wears the Mapel leaf for a crown? The observation tower/restaurant holds a story all its own. You can see it in the upper right of this photo. Someday I will relate that story to you.

This is a view of the USA falls as we headed back into port. Overall our trip to Niagara was exciting and many memories were made there. We will be headed to New York State next and will be staying at Lake George Escape CG. Darell and Judy Patterson are presently there working as entertainment coordinators. So until then I will fade into...Somewhere in Time.

Sherri's First Day

Oh my it is time to get up again. Even with all the encouragement of my fellow Dreamers it is getting so hard to go to work now. What is it with the final months that make it so hard to concentrate on working here? Yes the alarm went off and I slowly pulled my self out of the bed and onto the floor...wobbled over to the coffee maker and flipped the switch to get the process going. I wonder how many times I have done that over the past 45 years. Gosh it must be several...ya think. I know we use to have one of those peculator coffee pots and then we went to the electric self contained coffee makers...do you remember those times?


I got that going and then wobbled into the bathroom to shower and shave...you noticed I wobble everywhere now with my leg hurting me... I am a wobbler. It really is starting to feel better now that I am off of it most of the day. I have excused myself from going out into the press room and this has helped me reduce the swelling some what. OK... shower, shaving, dressing, prepared lunch, fixed coffee, found my wallet and keys....I am off for another day at the office.


I spent most of the day doing reports and answer questions as usual and then ate my lunch and got in some journal reading. I am so far behind on all the journals I don't know if I will ever catch back up. I love to read about everyone's travels especially while I am at the office because it takes me away from here and puts me in a happy place. Keep them coming Dreamers.


OK I told you that this was Sherri's first day on the road. She just traveled today to Marshall, where she will be staying while she is working in Hallsville...which evidently is so small they do not have accommodations for temp folks. I don't think that Marshall is that far from Hallsville so all is well.


Upon arriving in Marshall, Sherri found a motel and went in to get a room. She told the clerk at the desk that she wanted to be on the second floor and she did not want an adjoining room. These are two things that she has always been very adamant about. She does not feel safe on the first floor and she does not want a door that adjoins another room. OK that being said these are the two wishes she conveyed to the clerk. All the paperwork was made up and she took off to her room...which she found to be on the first floor...and low and behold it adjoined the room next to it. Well this was just too much for her take at one time so she dropped her stuff off in the room and headed back down to the front desk to register her complaint. She explained once again to the clerk that she wanted on the second floor and no adjoining room. The clerk apologized for the misunderstanding and changed it all to full fill her wishes.


Back to the room Sherri went to get her stuff and make the move to the new room...whats this the door is locked...Oh I have the new card but it is for the new room and not this one...the card to this room is in the room with all her bags . Gee I will have to go back down to the desk and get a card for this room so I can get my stuff and then go back and get the card for the new room...oh I already have it...So she heads back down to the desk... the clerk sees her coming and knows that we have another problem. OK, says the clerk I will make this card open that room and you can get your stuff out and then you can come back and I will make it fit the new room again. Sherri gets the card heads back to the locked room and retrieves her belongings. Back to the desk to get the card for the new room and then up to the second floor and gets into the new room. All is well...second floor no adjoining door...life is good...for a short time. Toilet runs will not stop...OK shut the door and ignore it...Takes a shower the shower does not drain...OK this can be corrected in the morning. This is the first day...stay tuned for day two.


My job went on an on and on and finally 5:30 rolled around and I was outa here. Time to go home to that empty 5ver and fix supper and then I get to chat with all my friends. This is the best part of the day. I fixed me a breakupper and ate...before I knew it, it was 7:30 and I wondered why work can't go this fast. I jumped on the chat and everyone was there chatting and all my problems just faded away...just like that. Got me two bowles of ice cream and really enjoyed the evening with friends.


OK that about sums up my exciting day. I will end this entry today with some more pictures of Canada and our 17 state tour.

Arch on the backside of Mackinaw Island Michagan

This is a view of Fort Mackinaw from the back side

Sherri and Dortha take in the view from the balcony of the fort

We left Mackinaw and headed through Canada to Niagara Falls. We took the Maid of the Mist tour which was fantastic

We stopped and had lunch after the tour at a cafe on the river over looking the Canadian Falls

I will have more on the falls tomorrow and a good story to tell you about the guys trip to Fort Erie. They got lost Somewhere in Time.

My Last Day With Sherri

The alarm went off at 5:30 am and it took all I could muster up to pull myself out of the bed. Oh I was so sore...my leg is still swollen and it takes me some time to get to moving again in the morning.

Sherri did not flinch when the alarm went off and I checked her pulse to see if she was still with me. She did have a pulse, however faint. I sighed with relief knowing that she would be able to make us some extra diesel money before I retired. How cold Speedy! I hear you all out there moaning and saying all manner of things about me...I can take it. Hey this is our plan....and as our plans go we have things come up now and again that dash them into pieces, and her passing could be one of those dashing moments. You know you never can be to sure of yourself.

Not to worry Sherri is alive and well and after I got out of the shower she was up and sipping her coffee.

Is this only Tuesday! GEEEE this week is going to be a slow one for sure. Sherri starts her job in the morning and I will be all alone...WHOAAAA is me. I will have to get my stuff together and go off to work without that morning snarl from my true love and life partner. It will not be the same until we both rid ourselves of these J O B s! Eight more months...I think I will start a count down calendar like Dee and Jim have.

OK Coffee made lunch packed...phone wallet keys located...Houston we have lift off the Speedster is in the truck and headed for the office and all manner of torment to look forward to upon arrival.

The day at the office went as usual...Mr Pitman this Mr Pitman that AUGH!!!! please release me let me go. Phone calls...press checks...reports...meetings...He said she said reports from disgruntled employees! OK I am ready...is it time to retire yet??? I have this reoccurring nightmare and I find out that I am awake while I am having it. I long to be in my boat on a slow moving river fishing for catfish and planning my next nap.

I know I have a while before I retire so I am posting some pictures of a happier time in my life. These are some pictures of our world wind trip with Moppah and Mark and Becky and Rodney a few years back.

It started out at Monmouth Cave Kentucky Can you tell we were tired?

Next stop was Mackinaw Island Michagan...Mark and Dortha on the Ferry

View of the Grand Hotel from the ferry boat going over

No motorized vehicals are allowed on the island just bikes and hoarse drawn carriages

This is the side view of the Grand Hotel..Somewhere in Time

OK I am making myself sick. I have to go to the Birthday Party/Anniversary on the chat tonight and try to be witty. It is getting harder every day to be witty and happy. Things will change

Somewhere in Time.

Another Do Nothing Day

We got up this morning about 7:30...I should say that I got up...Sherri slept in a little longer and I got to do yesterdays post. I hate to post while she is awake and I know I need to be spending time with her. I guess after I retire I can spend all my time with her and post too.

We drank our coffee and worked on our phones some more. I had to see if the alarm worked on mine...you see I need to get up and go to work...UGH! It worked much the same as my other phone so I got it set. I hope that I only have 8 more months of this. It will be nice to know that I do not have to get up and rush off to work anymore!!!

Sherri got all her numbers listed in her phone book and I got the alarm set so it was time for us to plan a trip to the store. Kroger's is only about a mile from us so we can make multiple trips at no big cost...I guess that is good because we make multiple trips. It has been part of our morning to go to the store for many years now. I know when I retire the trips to the store will become fewer and we will have to get all we need in one trip. But until then we still plan our store run.

After returning from the store we unloaded the one or two items we so desperately needed and fixed us some lunch. Sherri made a salad with chicken that I had cooked out on the grill the day before. It was sure good and we ate it all.

After lunch I sat down at the computer to check the stock market and see if I had made any money. I checked that out and decided to go ahead and work until February. I can see now that we will be traveling less and setting more...I hope my friends out there are planning the same thing. If not we will be waving goodbye as everyone else pulls out to see the world. No matter it still will be better than going to work all the time!

While setting at the computer I heard a noise at the door and went out to see what it was. The people at the park left a note on our door that the water would be shut off in the morning at
8:00 am because of a leak somewhere up the line. So Sherri and I went outside to fill up our tank for the next day. While we were outside we heard sirens and soon the emergency vehicles were pulling into our park. Two firetrucks and two ambulances followed by two police cars. What is going on...they went down to the end of the street and stopped. Some of our neighbors walked down there and found out that one of the mobile homes had a fire in the kitchen. They put it out in short order, but you would have thought that they had a two alarm blaze...Oh well no one was hurt and that is important.

Sherri and I had some watermelon and then went straight to the chat room to visit with our family chatters. Ellie Moppa Nonna Dee JJ and Bobguy Sandra Ginger Jesse Penny....everybody was there. We had a good chat and when I took a break to have some ice cream Sherri took over and did the woman thing with all the ladies..LOL. We did meet some new folks again and enjoyed chatting with them.

OK it is about time for me to check out of here and find me a place Somewhere in Time.

Last Day of Freedom

We woke up with no alarms and that will soon change tomorrow. Tomorrow the rooster will crow and I will have to be up early. But this morning we had our coffee and enjoyed not having to rush around and load and unload STUFF. We talked about the plan for the next 8 months and how we will conduct ourselves...LOL. We have to be sooo conservative until it is time for me to retire.

The plan was to finish our coffee and get dressed and head to the store for some supplies. We goofed off as long as we could and finally got dressed and headed off to Wally World. We were shopping for new phones and we had no idea what to get. Technology has run off and left us. The lady at the counter started telling us what all these phones do and we were standing there with our stupid hanging out...we looked at each other and shrugged our shoulders and said we would take them...with hopes we could make a phone call??? We got the razor phone and I could see no way I could shave with it but I guess there is a trick to it.

Next we got some food stuff and supplies for the kitchen. I dropped off a camera to get the film developed...I think it is about 2 to 3 years old? Oh well we will be surprised when we get it back.

We have been looking for a 35 MM slide viewer so we can look at some slides we took back in the 70's. Most all our children's pictures from 70 to 85 were on slides. Our slide projector went south in the 80's and we have not seen any of these pictures since that time. I want to get them transferred to CD's but I need to look at them first...I don't want all them done, seeing as how it cost about .67 cents each and we have over 500 slides. No matter...we have to special order the viewer out of NY City.

We returned home with our new phones and sat down to figure them out. It took 2 hours to get my phone numbers in! Sherri tried to down load a new ring tone but that failed so she just gave up. I think you have to have degree in electronics to use a phone now.

Today was my sister June's birthday. Happy Birthday Junie! She is older than I am...I'll leave it at that. LOL. I called her yesterday...I could not remember if it was on the 5th or the 6th...I have a problem with dates...DUH!

Not much happening here today...but things should pick up when Sherri leaves for her job and I start cooking for myself...UGH! I hope that I live through this. I will report on my progress on the chat at night. Sherri should have her own computer next week and she will chat from where ever she is located at that time.

OK friends and family I guess I better get myself ready to chat here...it is 6:30 and Sherri and I will have to warm up the old fingers and eat a bite before then. I will join you soon...

Somewhere in Time.

Jenny chats across the room and now we chat across the Country

Sherri chats by phone while at the lake house...we had no WIFI out there.

Here we are chatting around the table and we are still chatting today just further apart.

What A Week

I did not have to work Friday so when it was time to rise and shine I got up but there was no shinning going to happen. Sherri and I had to get these kids ready to head back to Wills Point and start packing our STUFF. We got them up and got them ready...which was a feat in itself...and we had to pack enough close for a week stay at the lake house. That being done we loaded up the truck and we were off.


We dropped the kids off at our daughters house and said our good byes and we were off for the adventure of a lifetime..LOL. We knew that there was a lot that had to be done and we were not looking forward to it. You know...those of you that have been through this...that the last bit of STUFF that you have to deal with is the hardest... and this is what we had to deal with this trip. Sherri had all the house STUFF and I had all my shop STUFF and we would have to sort through it all and put it in totes and load it in the cargo trailer and on and on.


It was a long and hard week. Every morning we were up early...made coffee...sat on the back porch made the plan for the day...and after putting off the plan for as long as we could we were back at it. During one of our planning sessions we decided that we would buy a barn instead of renting a storage space. We could park it at our daughters house and that way when we came for our visits we would have all our STUFF there! What a great idea!


Off to the portable building place we went. We looked and figured and came up with a red barn... Sherri always wanted a red barn... and we had it delivered...after a few modifications that Tuesday. OK now we are really ready to move.


We made 4 trips with the cargo trailer to the barn and she filled up quickly. It is nice to have a place to put all the important STUFF you cannot live without. We sectioned it off into Barn Sale items and We Have To Keep items. Then Sherri set a plan in for when we would have the sale. If all goes well we should be free of a large collection of STUFF by the end of this month.


Believe me a lot of tears flowed when going through this STUFF and some of it had to go from the go pile to the keep pile...OH WELL this will all pass. As my friend Ellie said after a year you don't know what is in the totes...it must not be that important. So all the STUFF is locked up and tucked away for now and we are ready to go back to our home on wheels. It has been a long time without chat and email and all the communications to the outside world...our cell phones don't even work at the lake...did I mention boonies. We had to have sun light pumped in out there.


OK so now we are back in Coppell and putting all the STUFF we brought with us in its place. Sherri is still working hard and I got into my recliner and took a nap. Oh you say how thoughtless of me...believe me I do not know where all this STUFF goes and I would be in the way if I tried to help. My leg is swollen twice its size due to all the lifting and kneeling I have had to do for the last week. I need medication and rest.


Everything being put away it was time for food...we thought about going out to eat and then remembered our plan. We will eat at home and save that money! Save Save Save! We can do it yes we can. We ate grilled cheese sandwiches and they were good...then it was time to chat. Oh it was soooo good to talk to all our friends. It had been one week with no chat and we had so much to catch up on...which reminds me we have all those journals to read!! this will be a busy day.


Well it is time for our morning coffee and I do have to start reading...so we will fade off here and see you all Somewhere in Time.

Sherri goes through all her treasures...which ones to keep?

The STUFF in the background is being kept...Foreground right is Barn Sale Items

This is my helper...We both look good...Don't you think